- wampus@lemmy.caEnglish9 months
Nah, this isn’t a great point at all… even at face value really.
Put slightly differently, if we’re assuming people sleep around as much as the text implies, if we focus on birth control solely for men, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled man would result in a ton of pregnancies. If the onus is on women, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled woman would result in one pregnancy.
- 9 months
I got snipped so my wife didn’t have to do the hormonal bullshit. Her doctor is putting her back in it because women’s bodies literally do not want them to be happy.
- 9 months
Weird how it seems like it’s all for women and safe sex but then criticizes a tool women have to checks notes take control of their sex lives and make decisions about getting pregnant.
- 9 months
Non-surgical birth control options for women tend to come with a lot of side effects and a number of risks that don’t always outweigh the benefit. Hormonal birth control can cause tons of problems for the women taking them and some of them are associated with life-threatening side effects like increased risk of clotting leading to DVTs, PEs, and strokes.
- 9 months
Yes, and male birth control doesn’t solve these problems because the only way to be 100% sure is to be on birth control yourself, especially important with huge chunks of the US banning abortions
- village604@adultswim.fanEnglish9 months
That’s because hormonal birth control for women takes advantage of existing biological processes to prevent pregnancy.
Men don’t have any known biological processes that can be utilized like that, although it’s been consistently studied for decades.
- 9 months
I had thought that another part of it was the levels of harm compared to the problem; getting pregnant is incredibly stressful and possibly harmful, up to and including death as a possibility. A medicine that can stop that but has side affects that are less harmful than pregnancy is a lot more palatable. Whereas, for men, the harm caused by pregnancy is zero, so any harm caused by the pill is weighed a lot heavier.
- village604@adultswim.fanEnglish9 months
There’s been “progress” every few years for decades. Male birth control is basically the medical equivalent of battery technology.
I’ll believe it when a pill makes it to market.
- 9 months
I mean… you know that you can buy batteries today, and they’re much better than the ones you could buy a decade ago?
- village604@adultswim.fanEnglish9 months
The point is that on a regular basis there are articles about some amazing new battery breakthrough, but it never leaves the lab.
- 9 months
Tech illiterate media writing hype articles. Repeats yearly also with flying cars or vacuum tube trains.
- 9 months
I not sure I can impregnate 9 women in a day but I’m willing to participate in a scientific study to find out if anyone is doing that.
- 9 months
It’s the woman who’d get pregnant and who doesn’t want to. Should she rely on whether the men took their pills correctly? Taking hormones sucks for many women, but they’re happy to be able to have birth control in their hands.
Yeah, I think people forget why the pill was such a game changer: It allowed women, without the permission or knowledge of their husband/sexual partner, to decide whether or not they wanted to get pregnant.
- 9 months
Should there be an temporary contraceptive for men? Yes, it gives agency to men and also provides an alternative to women who can’t use female contraception for a multitude of reasons.
Will that be preferred by all women? Hell no
- 9 months
It would be great if there was an alternative to them.
For people in trusting long-term relationships who want to have sex without a condom on.
So that the burden of birth control doesn’t default to the woman altering her hormonal balance.
- 9 months
9!? You think I can cum 9 times a day!? And apparently hit the egg every fucking time too? I don’t mean to question the conclusion because I think birth control should be both parties’ responsibility, but I think your premise reveals a distinct lack of grasp on biological reality. Why stop at 9? Why not 900? Really drive your point home! My dick is going to be useless after number 2 or 3 anyway.
- 9 months
Dumb. It’s a lot easier to stop one egg a month, than zillions of sperm multiple times a day. Simple as that.
- 9 months
Not only that, there’s an interruptible cycle of egg release. There’s no regular interruptible cycle in men.
- Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish9 months
Condoms are a lot cheaper than the pill and don’t come with side effects
- null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish9 months
Many people of any gender find sex much less enjoyable with a condom.
- Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish9 months
You know what’s a lot less enjoyable than sex with a condom? Everything it prevents
- null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish9 months
Sure but you can’t argue that Condoms don’t have side effects when the clear and obvious side effect is that sex is less enjoyable.
- 9 months
Science and Statistics.
A 15% failure rate counts as “horrible” in my book.
- 9 months
So you picked the local stat that makes your case instead of the 98% effective against unplanned pregnancy when used as directed cited by the World Health Organization and everyone else on the planet. What your NHS statistic proves is that without sex education, condoms are less effective. What does that not apply to?
- 9 months
No, the same study that said “when used as directed,” also pointed out “real world practice,” and that’s what I quoted, because most of us, myself included, live in the real world, so that’s the statistic that is most relevant. The other statistic is going to get people pregnant.
My car’s manufacturer tells me that my car will get 30 miles a gallon. It gets about 24. If I ignore my gas gauge, and calculate my gas milage based on the manufacturer’s claims, I’m going to be sitting on the side of the highway, waiting for AAA. If you rely solely on condoms for birth control, you will get pregnant.
Real world is the only thing that matters.
- 9 months
Well, the pill’s effectiveness also depends on using it correctly. So the point is a bit mood, isn’t it?
- 9 months
This is just logically wrong.
If birth control was only made for men, and 90% of men were on birth control, you could end up with far more pregnancies than if it’s for women and 90% of women were on it.
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of the argument.
- 9 months
I don’t understand you logic. Are you saying the remaining 10% of men would impregnate a disproportionate amount of women?
- 9 months
Yes. Because 10% of men is enough to impregnate all the women.
As a guy though, I wish there was male birth control. I do not love that women get to decide if they are going to make me a father or not.
- 9 months
I mean there’s condoms, and there’s not ejaculating inside women. If you don’t want the risk of being a father, those are things you can control.
- 9 months
I’m not sure who’s she targeting because I know a lot of guys who would love to have birth control pills.
- 9 months
and no sane woman should believe that, because if she will later find the guy was lying, it is not going to be the guy having to deal with the consequences. so it is quite stupid take.
- 9 months
No sane person should leave something that important to the sole responsibility of someone else no matter who they are.
Eta: Until I turned 30, everyone I knew who had kids was “on birth control”
