Moderator on dbzero /Palestine believes pointing out that 80-90% of Jews worldwide are Zionists is antisemitic
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- 3 months
Regular reminder that yptb is to judge the mod action and not to rehash the discussion which led to the mod action
- 3 months
The discussion is extremely relevant and directly coupled to the action.
- 3 months
Half the comments here are denying the fact itself and using that as the reason to call my comment correcting the OOP antisemitic.
- 3 months
While I let some leeway for nuance, this is not the space to resolve this argument. Just go to a debate sub or something. If people tell you YDI just live with it, it’s their judgement. You have plenty of space to speak your piece in the op
- 3 months
The Jewish people remain an oppressed minority, therefore, in my opinion, any analysis of Judaism (ethnic or religious) vs. Zionism vs. Israel must start from the basis of special respect for that minority.
Even if there were studies that support that percentage you point out, any reference should be made with care, moderation, and contextualization and, strictly speaking, it corresponds more to an internal debate in the Jewish community (to which I do not belong).
In conclusion: YDI (I assume it was a tempban).
Death to Israel
- 3 months
The Jewish people remain an oppressed minority…
Can we really count Jews as “oppressed” in 2026?
IMO, they are arguably the most privileged minority in the west with their proximity to whiteness, specific codified anti-hate-crime/“antisemitism” laws, and a literal ethnostate guaranteed by imperialist hegemony.
- Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish3 months
Considering that antisemitism still exists, Jewish people are murdered for being Jewish, their places of worship are attacked, and that NeoNazis still consider them enemy number 1; Yes, we can count them as oppressed, and to a degree most minorities do not suffer.
- 3 months
Well for one thing thats a bullshit number and regurgitation of nazi propaganda is likely what got you banned.
Zionism is not equivalent to judaism and its sus as fuck to act like it is. You dont wanna be seen as a nazi sympathizer, then dont regurgitate their talking points.
FYI OP has been home instance banned for a couple of weeks.
- 3 months
Trying to equate Zionism with all Jews is antisemitic by definition. It doesn’t matter if its 50% or 90% of Jewish people who support Zionism. It’s a trap to do so since then you can be dismissed for being antisemitic, which seems to be the case here.
If all you are arguing is that the majority of Jews support Zionism, well that’s probably true. But let’s not fall for the antisemitic trap of judging every member of a religion by the worst examples. Otherwise we are no better than the folks who characterise all muslims as violent terrorists.
- 3 months
So if someone denies that the vast majority of Jews are Zionists nobody is allowed to correct them because that’s “antisemitic”. Got it.
Nice throwing the false Muslim terrorist equation in there but the vast majority of Muslims do not support ISIS or any similar organisation. But if they did would it be Islamophobic to correct someone saying they didn’t?
I think it’s fine to point out that a majority of Jews are Zionists, but the implication that it’s ok to judge an entire religion by it’s worst members, even if they are a majority, is not ok. Because that’s how we people make the leap from “death to Zionists” to “death to Jews”. One is a statement of solidarity with the Palestinian cause. The other is just plain old antisemitism, disguised as social justice.
- 3 months
Because that’s how we people make the leap from “death to Zionists” to “death to Jews”.
It isn’t. Your stance is how we get Zohran Mamdani condemning protests outside a Synagogue selling stolen Palestinian land. Pointing out the systemic Zionism in Jewish institutions doesn’t mean “wishing death upon all Jews.”
You did just literally wish death upon 80-90% of Jews worldwide though. Doesn’t that make you the antisemite?
https://ofpatmos.substack.com/p/fight-jewish-exceptionalism
Anyone who holds Jewish exceptionalist sympathies is thus primed to be manipulated into liberal Zionist ideas & solutions, and primed to be sympathetic to Israelis when working towards the best outcomes for Palestinians is often going to require us to have much harder hearts. If one believes that there is something special about Jews in this way, then when the time comes to take coercive actions that are sure to harm Israeli Jews and hurt the feelings of their Jewish supporters abroad, we will not be able to count on their support.
It’s easy to claim to support BDS when it’s not being done at scale yet, but will you be able to withstand the inevitable attempts at emotional manipulation if sanctions and blockades are ever truly imposed upon Israel? Will you falter when you hear about how much this is harming (gasp!) Jewish Israelis?
When the time comes to evict the Israeli settlers from the West Bank, will you laugh in the face of those framing it as an ethnic cleansing of poor, vulnerable, innately oppressed Jews and a Second Holocaust?
It isn’t. Your stance is how we get Zohran Mamdani condemning protests outside a Synagogue selling stolen Palestinian land. Pointing out the systemic Zionism in Jewish institutions doesn’t mean “wishing death upon all Jews.”
If a synagogue is engaged in Zionism like selling stolen Palestinian land, then they deserve to be condemned for it. But not because they are Jewish, because they are Zionists.
The context in which you “pointed it out” is hella sus. It’s hard to imagine a motivation to say that when, where, and how you did that isn’t driven by antisemitism. You sound like one of the “Despite making up 13% of the population…” chuds, which is gonna get you an instaban anywhere with respectable mods. I wanna say BPR because you should absolutely know better
Side note: Every Jewish person I know (like a dozen) is anti-zionist, so I don’t really give af about your Nazi statistics- don’t bother arguing about it with me
- 3 months
It’s sad that so many people cannot be bothered to read any article but still decided to respond the same misinformation Correcting someone out that the vast majority of the in-group colonizing a country is supportive of the colonization makes you a Nazi now.
The reason this is important is because you have people which say that protesting against colonization of Palestine next to synagogues which are selling Palestinian land is “antisemitic”.
Because they have never been told that almost all Jewish institutions support Zionism because of people like you come out calling anyone who does a Nazi.
Yes, Most Jews are in fact Zionists
A fact that we must all contend with first and foremost is that Zionism is absolutely rampant among Jews worldwide. It is not just the official mandated ideology of almost all Jewish institutions and organizations, but also among Jewish communities and families.
I read the article before commenting. I stand by what I said
- 3 months
That’s impressive because everything you said is debunked by the article.
My opinions and personal anecdote were debunked by the article?
Here’s an article debunking your mom
3 monthsA substack blog is the authority?
Got a better (read: more balanced), more data-driven proof, or are you just diving through the garbage pile looking for the evidence that suits your argument?
- 3 months
I’m sure you would like something approved by the Zionist MBFC website. Ironic because equating all Jews to Zionists is its absolute favorite pastime but you never cared about that.
Luckily for you the substack article just compiles polls from mainstream sources.
Calling me a Zionist. That’s rich, and a violation of the rules. Cool story.
Now, on to the data. Did you look at how many people polled? I did.
YDM. I mean, you actually wrote this:
You’re undermining to pro-Palestine movement by calling everything and everyone who opposes Israel antisemitic.
… in response to a comment that not only was not “calling everything and everyone who opposes Israel antisemitic” (it says your characterization of Jews might be), but which actually says “I despise the Apartheid colonialist political ideology that is zionism”.
You are undermining the pro-Palestine movement by equating zionism with jewishness, to the point that I am becoming increasingly skeptical about your actual motivations.
- 3 months
No the commenter was doing what you are doing now: claiming that accurately describing reality that 80-90% of Jews are Zionists is antisemitic and that is s a dogwhistle against Jews because somehow I’m a Nazi for pointing out that synagogues are selling Palestinian land.
In fact the original comment never mentioned the word Jew. They said religion. But OOP instantly went “whoa that’s antisemitic stop dogwhistling bro”.
I’ve linked the article above already. Please read it before responding https://lemmy.ml/post/46790185/25489292. Loading your comment with “I am becoming increasingly skeptical about your actual motivations” is straight out of the Labour campaign against Jeremy Corbyn.
- 3 months
It’s closer to 64% https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/04/07/negative-views-of-israel-netanyahu-continue-to-rise-among-americans-especially-young-people/
Ironically evangelicals are now more favorable of the ethnostate of Israel than the supposed benefactors. “Supposed” because it’s trivial to see Jewish folk are not made safer by the existence of Israel.
Still, this supposes that a majority opinion gives carte blanche to antisemitic dog whistles about supposed dual loyalty, etc. It’s shameful to lump in some folks who are vehemently opposed to the genocide as willing participants. The polling mostly has just shown that people who get their news from zionist networks tend to be more zionist, but even then over time that dam is breaking. Unfortunately the media environment and powers that be provide an outsized influence compared to reality on the ground in a place the people polled don’t live.
